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Message de dolfine56 posté le 07-01-2011 à 17:38:52 (S | E | F)
Bonjour,
Après avoir lu le post de NP à Ariane, sur le forum "here lies Lily Waters", je ne vois pas bien la différence entre to give in et to give up ?
tous deux semblent signifier abandonner.
give in :
(yield) céder (to à);
(stop trying) abandonner;
I ~ in—tell me! je donne ma langue au chat (familiar) —dis-le moi!
give up:
~ up abandonner;
don't ~ up! tiens bon!;
to ~ up on laisser tomber (diet, crossword, pupil, patient);
ne plus compter sur (friend, partner);
~ up [sth], ~ [sth] up
(renounce or sacrifice) renoncer à (vice, habit, title, claim);
sacrifier (free time);
quitter (job);
to ~ up smoking/drinking cesser de fumer/de boire
Quand emploie t-on l'un plutôt que l'autre?
à qui pourra m'éclairer.
Réponse: Give in et give up de gerondif, postée le 07-01-2011 à 17:44:40 (S | E)
Bonsoir,
pour moi, de tête, to give in, c'est céder pour un pont sous le poids de la neige,ne pas être assez fort pour résister, et to give up, c'est laisser tomber, abandonner.
Pour la langue au chat, j'aurais plutôt dit: I give up"
Réponse: Give in et give up de dolfine56, postée le 07-01-2011 à 17:51:22 (S | E)
beaucoup, Gerondif
Mais, dans ce cas, NP aurait dû employer" give up" et non "give in" pour dire abandonner la recherche de certains mots?
peut-être le 2è est-il davantage employé aux USA ?
Réponse: Give in et give up de gerondif, postée le 07-01-2011 à 18:01:17 (S | E)
non, pas forcément, to give in au sens de céder, ne pas être assez fort, plier devant une difficulté, alors que to give up, c'est laisser tomber par lassitude, par dépit.
Comparez !!
Dolphine, you are too beautiful ! I can't resist ! I give in !
Dolphine, you are too stubborn ! I don't want to explain any more ! I give up !!
Réponse: Give in et give up de dolfine56, postée le 07-01-2011 à 18:05:14 (S | E)
o.k, c'est beaucoup plus clair maintenant
sans rancune pour tes exemples, surtout le second bien sûr!
Réponse: Give in et give up de gerondif, postée le 07-01-2011 à 18:18:40 (S | E)
oui, c'était au moins du deuxième degré, au départ, j'avais mis "daft" mais j'ai pris peur et j'ai mis "stubborn" au sens d'entêté, d'opiniâtre, qui se rapproche plus d'une qualité !!
Réponse: Give in et give up de taconnet, postée le 07-01-2011 à 18:20:10 (S | E)
Bonjour dolfine.
Give in signifie capituler. C'est ce que NP a voulu exprimer.
You've given in too easily.
Give in signifie aussi rendre/remettre une copie.
Don't forget to give in your essays by the end of next week.
Réponse: Give in et give up de lucile83, postée le 07-01-2011 à 18:22:57 (S | E)
Hello,
Je me permets d'ajouter ce qui suit aux excellentes explications de gerondif:
Give in
give in phrasal verb
1 to finally agree to do or accept something that you had at first opposed, especially because someone has forced or persuaded you to:
Eventually I gave in and accepted the job on their terms.
Bob's wife went on at him so much that eventually he gave in.
give in to
The government refused to give in to their demands.
2 to accept that you are defeated in a game, fight, competition etc [↪ surrender]:
The rebels were eventually forced to give in.
We will carry on fighting to the end. We will never give in.
Give up
give up phrasal verb
1give something ↔ up to stop doing something, especially something that you do regularly:
Darren has decided to give up football at the end of this season.
She gave up her job and started writing poetry.
give up doing something
I gave up going to the theatre when I moved out of London.
Why don't you give up smoking?
2 to stop trying to do something:
We spent half an hour looking for the keys, but eventually gave up and went home.
I give up. What's the answer?
You shouldn't give up so easily.
give up doing something
I gave up trying to persuade him to continue with his studies.
give something ↔ up
She has still not given up the search.
Lien Internet
Réponse: Give in et give up de dolfine56, postée le 07-01-2011 à 18:39:31 (S | E)
Coucou Gérondif, Taconnet, Lucile
Un grand à tous les trois !!! si je ne comprends pas, ce ne sera pas de votre faute!!
Gérondif, tu as bien fait de suivre ta galanterie naturelle, et de remplacer "daft" par "stubborn", car,comme tu le dis, l'entêtement peut être une qualité alors que la bêtise restera a " foolish thing ".
Taconnet et Lucile, me voilà "parée pour l'hiver" avec vos explications on ne peut plus claires et fournies...
ce site est décidément super, il n'y a qu'à demander....
Réponse: Give in et give up de notrepere, postée le 07-01-2011 à 18:46:04 (S | E)
Hello dolfine et all! I didn't mean to be controversial ...
I hope this makes it clearer:
I've given up on giving in!
I have given up on the idea of giving in to this exercise.
I've given in to giving up!
I've given in to the idea of giving up on this exercise.
Don't forget to give in your essays by the end of the next week.
Don't forget to turn in/hand in your essays by the end of the next week. (Americans never use "give in" in this sense.)
Here is a list of common phrasal verbs on "give": Lien Internet
Don't give up!
Réponse: Give in et give up de dolfine56, postée le 07-01-2011 à 20:51:52 (S | E)
hello, Notrepère,
It's the " the icing on the cake",(not ironic!)
I won't give up learning English, and I'll give in on this beautiful language.
thanks a lot.
Réponse: Give in et give up de notrepere, postée le 08-01-2011 à 04:09:22 (S | E)
I guess what I should have said is that ariane had "thrown in the towel" too soon.
Lien Internet
I could have said "give up", but that has more of a sense of finality to my mind. I was hoping ariane would try again. In other words, that she could give in but not give up.
Cordialement
Réponse: Give in et give up de ariane6, postée le 08-01-2011 à 10:40:29 (S | E)
Non, NP, je n'aurais pas insisté ! Quand je ne comprends pas ce qu'une personne me dit , je lui demande de bien vouloir répéter, mais si de son côté elle ne fait aucun effort pour être plus compréhensible, believe me, I give in, I give up, as you like !...
... oui, je laisse tomber !, je ne vais quand même pas en faire une maladie !
Il vaut mieux garder le sourire...
Merci Dolfine, d'avoir soulevé la question !
Réponse: Give in et give up de traviskidd, postée le 08-01-2011 à 20:25:46 (S | E)
to give in = to (eventually) concede, to capitulate, to give up () one's resistance
to give up = to quit, to abandon, to surrender
Réponse: Give in et give up de lakata, postée le 09-01-2011 à 11:00:26 (S | E)
Interesting topic indeed.
Thank you dolfine for asking the question.
I'm wondering whether I've got the answers properly so, another question now :
Is this sentence correct ?
" I thought I'd given up smoking in 2004 but at last Christmas, I couldn't help giving in to some (false) friend and I smoked a couple of cigarettes...Shame on me !"
(N.B. Don't worry ! It isn't true. I really stopped smoking in 2004, and for good !)
Réponse: Give in et give up de dolfine56, postée le 09-01-2011 à 11:53:50 (S | E)
Hello,
Have a wonderful Sunday, Lakata and everybody,
Lakata, I guess your sentence is right, and I'd like to extend our sincere congratulations for this heroic act.
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Modifié par lucile83 le 09-01-2011 12:10
Réponse: Give in et give up de nongprue, postée le 09-01-2011 à 11:58:56 (S | E)
Bonjour et merci de m'accueillir
lucile pour mes progrès
I'm French but I'm living in Thailand.
For the subject answer and for example :
victory this is the end of the world war "enemy give in"
but :
no my friend never give in! it is softness
but you can give up smoking
this is not "weakness" but strongminded.
ok see you later now I'm going with my wife stroll hand in.
Pour moi bien que débutant cela me semblait très clair et différent mais maintenant je ne sais plus très bien.
As you like for mark evidently...
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Modifié par lucile83 le 09-01-2011 12:11
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